Zeitgeist: Moving Forward
Zeitgeist: Moving Forward
| 15 January 2011 (USA)
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A presentation of a case for a needed transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs the entire world society. This subject matter will transcend the issues of cultural relativism and traditional ideology and move to relate the core, empirical 'life ground' attributes of human and social survival, extrapolating those immutable natural laws into a new sustainable social paradigm called a 'Resource-Based Economy'.

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BoardChiri

Bad Acting and worse Bad Screenplay

Chonesday

It's one of the most original films you'll likely see all year, which, depending on your threshold for certifiably crazy storylines, could be a rewarding experience or one that frustrates you.

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Taraparain

Tells a fascinating and unsettling true story, and does so well, without pretending to have all the answers.

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Sanjeev Waters

A movie that not only functions as a solid scarefest but a razor-sharp satire.

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ironhorse_iv

Zeitgeist: Moving forward is the third installment in Peter Joseph's Zeitgeist film trilogy after 2007's Zeitgeist & 2008's Zeitgeist: Addendum. It's by far, the most well rounded of the three films. It didn't seem, like it was going too far into the messy and very chaotic unclear paranoia conspiracy theories like the previous films. It's seem, much grounded with its facts and how to tell them. It had some structure, a sense of order. It didn't felt like a mindless rant. It was indeed a well-made movie that seem to flow factual. The first half of the film explains the problems of our society, while the second half explains a positive solution to those problems. It's very simple, when you think, about it. The movie brings the complexity of society, down a level, to make it, a little more understandable. The film is arranged into four parts. Each part, discuss how the current world wide situation is disastrous. Part I: Human Nature, discuss human behavior when it comes to the nature vs. nurture debate. The overall conclusion tells us, that negative social environment and cultural conditioning does play a large part in shaping human behavior! Part II: Social Pathology, adds to it, saying that capitalism system is that unhealthy factor, because it makes people feel anxiety, feel inequality toward each other, and most of all, create over consumption. The film continues to state out, that current attitude of the monetary system would only result in future default and bankrupts. I agree with most of what's said, but I have to add to it, that other economic systems such as communism & fascism, feed worst unhealthy life choices. To say, that capitalism is the worst one, is pretty headstrong, there. It's Part 3: Project Earth, where the film gets kinda tricky with its approach. The film rehash, the same retelling of why the "resource-based economy" by American futurist and self-described social engineer Jacque Fresco is the best choice. I get it! I have studied economics in a post graduate level, and come to accept RBE to be a viable alternative. What the film fails to show, is how we get from a capitalism society, into a resource-based economy. It really needed to discuss, in a more realistic economic tone, how we could start to change our ways into a resource-based economy. In my opinion, Syndicalism or Georgism economic beliefs, might make the transformation, a lot smoother. Another problem with a resource based economy is the fact that most people would still operate in a monetary aesthete greedy fashion. While, ethicist type people might find this life, great. Aesthete people that makes up the majority of society, would be bored, always wanting something new. The whole idea of trying to eliminate external restriction AKA ownership might rattle these beliefs, causing people to try to gain more control on their own lives. Yes, ownership is wasteful, at times, but fortunately, human beings love wasting time and effect on illogic things. While, strategic access, does work, within a means. It does not solve, everything. Not everybody lives within, a Jacque Fresco perfect circle. Honestly, how are we supposed to build, these cities in regions, where resources are just way too hard to come by? We can't use money, that's for sure! This is one of the problems with Jacque Fresco. Jacque Fresco is hardly the person to tell people that this sh*t, need to go; when he, himself, often fund, his Venus Project with money, rather than volunteers. It's very hypocritical. Another problem is the science, it proposed to use. The science to maintain a resourced-based economy has far more assumptions built in to it, than results, both in human nature & economics sciences. In conclusions, these notions that science will save society is a gross error. Despite, not being religionist driven project, the idea of having a god-like computer control one-life, based on polls and surveys of others is very scary thought. It eliminate the idea of one, self-worth. Surely, such powers might be abused from the inception to control the masses. I really doubt, people would give up, their limited freedoms, for no freedoms. Another problem is that RBE is based upon the argument that scarcity is artificial, which is absolutely, breathtakingly wrong. Scarcity happens. If a resource-based economy was to happen, tomorrow, the technology for it, wouldn't be ready. In many ways, it might not, be ready if it did. I really wish, the movie would offer, something more solid to make it easier for people to abandon, the capitalism system. I also think the movie gives a lot of credit to Jacque Fresco for create this socioeconomic system. Resourced- based economy isn't new. In many ways, its sounds like natural socialism. A concept, older than Marxism, himself. Part IV: Rise, presented a case that pollution, deforestation, climate change, overpopulation, and warfare are all created and perpetuated by the socioeconomic system. I found this part, to be interesting. Sadly, the movie had to ruin it, with it's over the top ending, with a 6 or 7 minute long vignette that shows a bunch of people drawing all of their money out of the banks and throwing it away in order to show that they don't need the global economy to live. While, it was made to look powerful, I really found it, cheesy. I have to say, as a whole movie, it was very well done. The interviewers, narration and animated sequences were amazing to watch, due to how informative, it was. The run time might be a little too long, but there were hardly any slow spots. It's by far, the most entertaining of the three films, due to the film, mixing humor, and dramatic, so well. Overall: It's a must watch!

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i-am-apple

What to say about this bizarre "documentary" (read: technocratic propaganda) except that when it finished my skin crawled and I almost wept for the ignorance of history that permeates nearly every minute of this over-dramatic, hyperbolic and misleading hysteria.It is quite incredible to me how human beings can be sucked in again and again to the same tried-and-failed arguments and pseudo-intellectual fallacies that have already been shown to result in misery and suffering. Oh, but maybe this time the elimination of individuality, meritocracy and fruitful hierarchy will be different! Tell that to the millions of victims of communism throughout history - it'll be different this time, because machines! Yes, that is really the crux of the entire movie, and it made my blood run cold. To see the rating this has received - to see so many ignorant fools wilfully celebrating the surrender of their own freedom in the name of 'the greater good' has made me quite depressed. Are people seriously so envious of others, so afraid of not having the whitest picket fence on their street that they would destroy all elements of individual achievement and potential rather than find themselves on the bottom of the human scrapheap? That is the saddest indictment of humankind's pettiness that I can imagine. This movie tries to silence its critics through ridiculing, complete with the classic anti-White stereotype of a dumb redneck shouting obscenities. But there is nothing dumb about fearing the dangerous ideas propagated in this movie. Marxist thought processes are responsible for more murder and death in this world than all other political ideologies combined, and nobody should stand idly by while communist ideas disguised as scientific utopia are drip-fed in shiny packaging to a naive, frustrated and intellectually stunted audience. That is a crime more heinous than any international banker. There are many things wrong with the world. But eliminating personal choice and creating a regimented, sterile regime where there is no freedom, no individuality and no room for the highs and lows that are what being alive is all about.. that would be the greatest tragedy of all.

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danstalker

True premises (with some exceptions)+ False conclusions = INVALID argument This is the dream material of a teacher trying to exemplify logic traps and intellectual manipulation. The Single Effect Logic Trap is frequently used but a trained eye can identify many other traps.The leftist bias is overt and overwhelming neighbouring partisanship.All history teachings are ignored with the insolence that only true ignorance can spawn, however, I suspect is actually a fake ignorance.The high score is testimony of today's education level and a good measure of time dedicated to reading in our society.Just to be clear: I am not wealthy myself and I agree that extreme inequality is "toxic" for a society. I also agree that the society values and goals need a profound reevaluation, which is probably a perennial truth regardless of the societal paradigms of the moment.

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Lochness_30

I'll admit that I found the first half hour to be a bit boring, but others have told me they've enjoyed that part the most. The people sitting next to me were slumped down in their seats, when it started. They were sitting straight up at the middle of the movie, and were literally on the edge of their seats at the end. This is the effect this movie has on people that really get it. This movie (movement) is something that is possible. It would make the world infinitely better then it is today. I was first exposed to Zeitgeist and the Venus project two years ago. You should be warned. If you get it, you'll never get it out of your mindset!

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